Will ye also go away?


After Jesus taught the sermon on the bread of life, some of his disciples said that he had taught difficult things. He asked if his teachings offended them and then added a few more things that clearly proclaimed that he was the Son of God. The response was immediate and very telling about why some people followed him.

“From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”

I am the bread of life

I have often wondered how the Savior felt to see the multitude leave him just after he had miraculously fed them and had shown forth such mighty miracles. Today, we read the sermon on the bread of life and perhaps do not see what it contained that was so difficult for the people to understand. Of course he is the Son of God.

But for some, what he taught was blasphemous and bordered on insanity. How could this man, whom they clearly knew as the carpenter, the son of Joseph and Mary, claim to have come down from heaven? And then when they called him on it, to claim that he would ascend to heaven to take his place with God once again?

He could not deny it

When Joseph Smith first told of his visit in the sacred grove from the Father and the Son to a local minister, he was amazed at the response. What he shared was looked upon as blasphemy, and from the devil. It was not orthodox and did not meet with their expectations of a religious experience – revelation did not exist!

And yet, he knew that what had happened to him was real. He could not deny it. He never wavered from his claim and spent his life in bearing testimony of what he had seen and heard. How relieved he must have felt when others joined him in bearing witness of visions and visits from celestial beings – Oliver and Sidney.

We can know for ourselves

Joseph was the recipient of knowledge that put him in a unique class. At one point in time, there was nobody else on the earth who knew what he did – that the heavens were open and that man can receive visions and visits from celestial beings. Of course some looked upon him as a crackpot, eccentric and unusual.

Over time, Joseph’s visions have been accepted by a large number of people, none of whom were there at the time he received them. Nonetheless, we who accept them also know for ourselves that they took place, through the simple process of revelation, as the result of inquiry in prayer. It is as if we had been there ourselves.

When counsel is hard

Today, we have been given added direction and counsel from living prophets that goes beyond what Joseph Smith revealed and is intended for our day. Just as some in the Savior’s day turned and followed him no more, some in our day have turned away from the Lord’s church because of direction that has seemed hard to follow.

In Joseph’s day, there were some who turned against him after he revealed doctrines that were hard to accept, plural marriage being the prime example. How it must have hurt him to see good friends become bitter enemies when all he was trying to do was that which the Lord told him had to be as part of the restoration.

Testimonies are tested

In our day, a letter from the First Presidency turned into a trial of faith for some who were already on the fringes and do not understand or accept doctrine that most in the LDS church and the Christian world in general accept as being the standard of moral behavior – that marriage ordained of God is between a man and a woman.

Some have turned away and have decided that what they once felt and knew to be the true church of Jesus Christ could no longer possibly be true if the leaders of the church could ask us to do something so hard – to uphold morality in our society. It makes me wonder at the depth of their revelatory experiences with the Holy Ghost.

Knowledge from the spirit

We are counseled to seek knowledge by study and also by faith. Eventually, if we are faithful, we are going to come to the point in our lives through continued gospel study where we can feel relatively comfortable that we have mastered the basics of our religion. At that point, some things can only be taught by the spirit.

This is an area where we must be very careful because we can have revealed to us things that are not commonly or openly taught in the standard curriculum of the church. I want to be clear if we are receiving our knowledge from the right spirit then what we learn will always square with what prophets have taught in the past.

Signs of the times

I am confident that most of us agree that we live in the last days. The signs of the times are unmistakable. I am convinced, and have written several essays to this point, that we are on the verge of seeing prophesied cataclysmic and catastrophic events fulfilled in the very near future. The topic comes up more often these days.

Isn’t it reasonable to expect that the Lord would be willing to reveal to those who diligently inquire, just exactly how these events are going to transpire? It does not require that one be a General Authority to have the Lord reveal knowledge of the signs of the times that will be fulfilled with the approach of the Second Coming.

Summary and conclusion

We live in difficult times. These are also times of testing. Yet, the Lord is willing to reveal to us what we need to know to pass the tests and to be prepared for the future. This is not the time to turn away from the Lord because of the difficulty of the test but a time to turn to Him in study and prayer so we can be more faithful.

We do not have to walk alone. Our tests are not the same as those required of the Savior or of Joseph Smith. They were considered to be unorthodox and eccentric because of their unique knowledge. We can have that same knowledge if we but study it out and ask for it. That knowledge can keep us in safely in the Lord’s fold.

8 Responses

  1. I am a convert, & I am really thankful for all of the knowledge I have gained, and for the blessings I have received as a member of the restored church of Jesus Christ.

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  2. Kim,What a great thought and comment, especially at this time of Thanksgiving. I also am grateful for all the blessings I receive as a member of the restored church, and particularly the gift of the Holy Ghost and personal revelation.

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  3. Tim, this is a particularly important post at this time. We have had an extended period of relative peace in the Church, with very little of true controvery and pruning. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next decade or so.

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  4. Tim-I strongly agree with and appreciate the article that you just wrote. It takes high calibur to proclaim the things that you have. Continue to do so. Joseph Smith’s testimony and that he could not deny it, has always, always, always given me greater strength and hope.Up until now, I have debated writing my own thoughts and feelings (and testimony) down on a blog, but after reading your article…I believe I will. Best of luck to you in all that you do.-Seth

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  5. Some have turned away and have decided that what they once felt and knew to be the true church of Jesus Christ could no longer possibly be true if the leaders of the church could ask us to do something so hard – to uphold morality in our society.That certainly sounds very theatrical, but Tim, do you know anyone who has said that the FP letter asked something “too hard,” or have you made that up as your own way to blame them? Most that I’ve come across weren’t concerned about whether the FP letter gave “hard” counsel. Rather, they felt that the direction given in the FP letter was actually wrong. Of course, many LDS will argue that any direction given by the FP, no matter the subject or nature, is inherently the unquestionable will of deity. I just think it’s odd that you need to assign an entirely different motive to these individuals, rather than dispute their actual reason.

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  6. Hi Nick,Thanks for visiting my blog and leaving your comment about placing blame and assigning motives in the matter of those who disagreed with the difficult counsel of the First Presidency. Perhaps I can offer a few words of clarification.As a direct result of the First Presidency letter of June 29th, many hundreds of individuals signed Andrew Callahan’s petition or sent in letters of resignation from the LDS Church. No, of course they didn’t claim it to be too hard. They said it was wrong.I am not blaming anyone for anything. I am simply pointing out that the letter to the California Saints was counsel, and for some, it was indeed hard to accept, because they felt it was wrong. I can understand that.I am not trying to assign motive. Their actions speak for themselves. You can read their stories yourself. I have. I assume you have as well. Some are from my stake. They did what they did because they disagreed with counsel and encouragement.I’m not one that argues that when the First Presidency speaks, the thinking has been done. I just happen to agree that Proposition 8 did indeed deserve our best efforts – the giving of our time and our means. I accept their reasons. They felt it was wrong.The end result was the same. They left the church. Even though many, if not most had already left in spirit and practice many years ago, they made it formal with their letters of resignation. Thus, I used them as a modern example of the Savior’s lament, “Will ye also go away?” It applies, and to me, it is sad.

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  7. Thank you, Tim, for your clarification. I can certainly agree that the FP letter was “hard to accept” for those who felt it was morally wrong. When I originally read your “too hard” assessment, I thought you were impugning the moral courage of these individuals. While their idea of morality may differ from that of the FP on this matter, their disagreement wasn’t a lack of courage.

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  8. Thanks again, Nick. If I may, I’d like to augment your thought with my own about the moral courage of individuals who took it upon themselves to turn in letters of resignation. Some of those letters were just agonizing to read. Many of them were torn to the depths of their soul.They loved their families and didn’t want to hurt them and yet felt so strongly about the issue of equality that they knew they had to do something. To give up their membership in the church was no light step for those who fully understood what they were doing.To some, of course it did not mean much, but to others, it was obvious that they understood at least some of the depth of their action, especially as to how it would affect their family who were faithful believers. Yes, this issue has torn some families apart – Matthew Lawrence for example.No, I know it took courage for some to do what they did. It brought about a fundamental change in their lives that will forever affect them and their families. Their actions in withdrawing from the church are not going unnoticed. It is disheartening to observe and so very sad, at least to me.As I contemplated on this terrible loss, I felt prompted to wrote the essay, wondering how the Savior must feel as he sees so many of his children take the step of resigning their membership in the church of which they were once a part and that probably blessed their lives for a long time.I appreciate your comments as I read them on various blogs. Thanks for your comments here.

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