Questions Worth Pondering

zion-city-of-enochWhat if priesthood is not the power of God, but rather an association with angels and Gods?

What if keys are not licenses to exercise discretionary power, but items of knowledge which serve to unlock the hidden meaning of things?

What if the rituals of the temple are simply pedagogical tools intended to instruct, not rites intended to exalt?

What if the washings / anointings / endowments / sealings are a ritual reenactment of a sequence of events that is intended to transpire in mortality – in real life, here and now?

What if when we seek for further light and knowledge we instead find many who are willing to preach to us the philosophies of men, mingled with scripture?

What if Satan supervises our religious education?

What if we have seen the angels standing guard as sentinels, asking for our signs, tokens, and key words, in our day-to-day lives?

What if we didn’t give them what they asked for?

What if, by withholding our means from the poor or those we deem undeserving, we thus sell our signs and tokens for money?

What if real sealings only take place on the other side of the veil, and must be done in this life?

What if those sealings must be performed by the Father?

What if the future city of Zion, the New Jerusalem, has neither leaders nor followers, neither rich nor poor, but all are equal in all things, both temporal and spiritual?

21 Replies to “Questions Worth Pondering”

  1. Very thought provoking questions. Thank you. But… WHAT IF you go into a little more detail about each one, that we might be further edified.


    1. Where does our religious education take place?

      What if I encouraged people to remember the covenants that are made mention of in the temple?

      What if “the law of the gospel,” to choose one covenant, was an identifiable instruction or set of instructions?

      What if being “true and faithful in all things” so as to be introduced at the veil means to be always found executing those instructions in every circumstance?

      What if we don’t always know the nature of the tests of our faithfulness and integrity, nor the nature of those who are performing the testing?

      What if we are, unbeknownst to ourselves, brought into contact with angels, and eventually Gods, who test us to see if we are true to the signs and tokens delivered to us – or, in other words, keeping the covenant we have made with God?

      What if the interpretation of the endowment is given to men predicated upon their diligence?

      (edited to rephrase and clarify the lack of relationship of one question to two others.)


  2. What if even Jesus himself went through the process of endowment in mortality?

    What if that’s what the angels who ministered to him after his baptism and fasting in the wilderness were doing?

    What if another valid interpretation of baptism is that thereby we are washed of our stinky filthiness which offends the noses of the heavenly host, the same reason we offer baths to bums, wanderers, and vagabonds when we take them into our houses?

    What if washing, anointing, and clothing in clean robes is what a perfect host does for bums, wanderers, and vagabonds?

    What if, when the Savior comes to faithful souls to prepare them to pass through the veil, he washes their feet?

    What if the grace of God is not some mysterious power, but simply the ability to give gifts without judgement, reciprocity, requirement, or resentment?

    What if having charity entailed having no fear – of anything?

    What if the point is, if we are willing, to make us exactly what God is – a perfect gift giver, a perfect host, a perfect servant, a perfect persuader, a perfect teacher, a perfect witness, a perfect judge, a perfect parent, and so on?

    What if we just do what we were asked to do by the Lord himself, and ignore all the rest? What if that is what is meant by making straight the paths of the Lord? What if that path is defined most succinctly by the Golden Rule?

    What have we got to lose?


  3. What if we could become the family of God, sealed (welded) together with God, mutually indwelling, knowing all there is to know about one another – histories, feelings, and thoughts?

    What if we could be happy together eternally, worlds without end?

    What if the Golden Rule implied equality between God and us?

    What if we are supposed to seek all the best gifts?

    What if we all asked to be prophets, seers, revelators, translators, healers, miracle workers, and so on, so that we can both be fulfilled, and help others?

    What if we asked to be made perfect in this life?

    What if we asked to be filled with perfect love and light?

    What if we asked to stand in the divine council and behold the works of God?

    What if we asked to come into the presence of God and be embraced by him?

    What if we asked that God should touch us with his finger and fill us with light eternally?

    What if there is no limit on what we may ask of God?

    Why not ask for what we want?


  4. I like these!! Now remove the “What if” in front of all of these and re-read them as statements. See if this changes how you read them…


    1. Well, let us see what the power of the priesthood is.

      D&C 107:8, 18-20
      8 The Melchizedek Priesthood holds the right of presidency, and has power and authority over all the offices in the church in all ages of the world, to administer in spiritual things.

      18 The power and authority of the higher, or Melchizedek Priesthood, is to hold the keys of all the spiritual blessings of the church—

      19 To have the privilege of receiving the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, to have the heavens opened unto them, to commune with the general assembly and church of the Firstborn, and to enjoy the communion and presence of God the Father, and Jesus the mediator of the new covenant.

      20 The power and authority of the lesser, or Aaronic Priesthood, is to hold the keys of the ministering of angels, and to administer in outward ordinances, the letter of the gospel, the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, agreeable to the covenants and commandments.

      If priesthood means power to force things to acquiesce to one’s will, and keys are licenses for discretionary exercise of such power, then these verses mean something very different than what one takes away from them if priesthood means association with angels and Gods, power means ability to persuade, and keys are pieces of knowledge which unlock understanding.


  5. What if Love really is the Answer?

    Alma 34
    14 And behold, this is the whole meaning of the law,
    every whit a pointing to that great and last sacrifice;
    and that great and last sacrifice will be the Son of God,
    yea, infinite and eternal.

    1 Nephi 11
    20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again,
    bearing a child in her arms.
    21 And the angel said unto me:
    Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Eternal Father.
    Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
    22 And I answered him, saying:
    Yea, it is the love of God,
    which sheddeth itself abroad in the hearts of the children of men;
    wherefore it is the most desirable above all things.
    23 And he spake unto me, saying:
    Yea, and the most joyous to the soul.
    24 And after that he had said these words,
    he said unto me: Look!
    And I looked and I beheld the Son of God
    a going forth among the children of men.
    And I saw many fall down at his feet and worship him.
    25 And it came to pass that I beheld
    that the rod of iron which my father had seen was the word of God,
    which led to the fountain of living waters or to the tree of life,
    which waters are a representation of the love of God.
    And I also beheld that the tree of life was a representation of the love of God.
    26 And the angel said unto me again:
    Look and behold the condescension of God!

    What if the great commandments, to Love God and to Love one another, are really what matter?

    What if it really will be well with us now and at “the last day” if we possess and are possessed by this Love?

    What if Love is Light and Truth and Enlightenment?

    What if God is Love?

    What if Love is the Answer?

    What is Love?


    1. Here is love.

      Moroni 7:45-48
      45 And charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

      So how do we obtain it?

      46 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, if ye have not charity, ye are nothing, for charity never faileth. Wherefore, cleave unto charity, which is the greatest of all, for all things must fail—

      47 But charity is the pure love of Christ, and it endureth forever; and whoso is found possessed of it at the last day, it shall be well with him.

      48 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, pray unto the Father with all the energy of heart, that ye may be filled with this love, which he hath bestowed upon all who are true followers of his Son, Jesus Christ; that ye may become the sons of God; that when he shall appear we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is; that we may have this hope; that we may be purified even as he is pure. Amen.


  6. Amen, Brother Log. Pray with all the energy of heart that we may be filled with this love with meekness/gentleness and humility/lowliness of heart (broken heart and contrite spirit).

    These scriptures show the connection between the Love of God, or Charity, the Pure Love of Christ, and Peace (and a peaceable walk with our fellow men), and the Comforter/Spirit/Holy Ghost. Charity/Love = Spirit = Power = Peace = Joy = Light = Truth, etc.

    Moroni 8
    25 And the firstfruits of repentance is baptism.
    And baptism cometh by faith unto the fulfilling the commandments;
    and the fulfilling the commandments bringeth remission of sins;
    26 and the remission of sins bringeth meekness and lowliness of heart.
    And because of meekness and lowliness of heart
    cometh the visitation of the Holy Ghost,
    which Comforter filleth with hope and perfect love,
    which love endureth by diligence unto prayer
    until the end shall come,
    when all the saints shall dwell with God.

    D&C 88:125
    125 And above all things, clothe yourselves with the bond of charity, as with a mantle, which is the bond of perfectness and peace.

    Moro 7
    3 Wherefore I would speak unto you that are of the church,
    that are the peaceable followers of Christ,
    and that have obtained a sufficient hope
    by which ye can enter into the rest of the Lord,
    from this time henceforth until ye shall rest with him in heaven.
    4 And now my brethren, I judge these things of you
    because of your peaceable walk with the children of men.

    Moses 6:61
    61 Therefore it is given to abide in you; the record of heaven; the Comforter; the peaceable things of immortal glory; the truth of all things; that which quickeneth all things, which maketh alive all things; that which knoweth all things, and hath all power according to wisdom, mercy, truth, justice, and judgment.

    JST 2 Cor 13:11
    11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

    JST Gal 5:22
    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

    JST 2 Tim 2:22
    22 Flee also youthful lusts; but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

    JST James 3:17
    17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.


    1. Jesef.
      I agree 100% . Charity or the Pure Love of Christ is what Christ’s mission is all about and what we should seek. It comes from God through continual repentance. Our capacity to love is increased as we shed , sin, pride, envy, judgement, darkness and all things evil. As soon as we think we are humble, there we go sliding down the slope again. Thank you for that. I do believe the priesthood power is connected strongly to Charity and Purity and personal righteousness. Our relationship with God determines how we see others


  7. I love these verses as well. They show that there is a link between Grace and the Love of God, as well as sanctification (saint-ification) and the Holy Ghost:

    Ether 12
    36 And it came to pass that I prayed unto the Lord
    that he would give unto the Gentiles grace,
    that they might have charity.

    Moro 10:32
    32 Yea, come unto Christ and be perfected in him,
    and deny yourselves of all ungodliness.
    And if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness
    and love God with all your might, mind, and strength,
    then is his grace sufficient for you,
    that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ.
    And if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ,
    ye can in no wise deny the power of God.
    33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ
    and deny not his power,
    then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God
    through the shedding of the blood of Christ,
    which is in the covenant of the Father,
    unto the remission of your sins,
    that ye become holy, without spot.

    D&C 20:31
    31 And we know also, that sanctification through the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is just and true, to all those who love and serve God with all their mights, minds, and strength.

    D&C 88:133
    133 Art thou a brother or brethren? I salute you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, in token or remembrance of the everlasting covenant, in which covenant I receive you to fellowship, in a determination that is fixed, immovable, and unchangeable, to be your friend and brother through the grace of God in the bonds of love, to walk in all the commandments of God blameless, in thanksgiving, forever and ever. Amen.

    JST 2 Cor 8:7
    7 Therefore, as ye abound in everything, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.

    JST 2 Cor 13:14
    14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

    JST Eph 6:24
    24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

    JST 1 Tim 1:14
    14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

    JST Titus 3:15
    15 All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace be with you all. Amen.

    JST 2 Jn 1:3
    3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.


  8. Log, thank you for what you’ve been teaching the past few months here. It’s made a great difference in my life. I was assigned to give a sacrament meeting talk today, and I felt impressed to share some of the things I’ve learned from you. I ended up putting together a few pieces from your posts on the golden rule and judging justly, then translating into Romanian. Five people asked me for a copy! I am optimistic it will help a few people make a change for the better.

    I do feel slightly guilty about plagiarizing, although I get the impression you are not the sort of person who would mind. Am I forgiven? 🙂

    Thanks again for the important work you are doing.


    1. No need to feel any guilt, and no need to cite your source. Take whatever you want and run with it.

      You’re welcome, though I am doing what I wish to be doing.


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