Opening the Conduit to Heaven


the-heavensI read a lot of blogs. You probably do too. What or who we read can tell us a lot about each other. I’m especially interested in keeping in touch with those who are on a journey similar to mine. Below are a few blogs I check on a regular basis. Although I don’t spend a lot of time there, I also check in from time to time on the top four LDS group blogs at the bottom of the list just to see what’s being discussed.

Denver Snuffer Pure Mormonism – Rock Waterman
To the Remnant – Adrian Larsen In 200 Words or Less – Will Carter
The Gospel According to Scoot Just and True – Spektator
Anonymous Bishop Bare Record of Truth
Thoughts on Things and Stuff 77 Truths – Bret Corbridge
2nd Witness Upward Thought
The Perfect Day My Journey to the Fulness
Latter-day Spence – Clean Cut Thoughts from Salem – Russell Anderson
By Common Consent Times and Seasons
Mormon Stories Podcasts Wheat and Tares

I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned anything from one of my recent favorites. It’s not even on my blogroll: The Gospel According to Scoot. Today I’d like to share something from Scott that has just made my day and my week. I’ve been pondering a post – this one – for a long time. I knew it was coming. I knew I wanted to study the subject and post it. Scott helped me nail this one down.

My Interview With Denver Snuffer

Over the past few months, I’ve been elaborating a little on the subjects from my interview with Denver back in May. At the bottom of this post you’ll find Denver’s answer to question eight. It was a difficult one dealing with the subject of leadership. Although I asked it poorly, I used the example of the discussion we were having on this blog about the Asenath honeycomb dance.

hosts-of-heavenWhat I asked in my question was what I believed at the time about what was happening with these dances. Of course, those in attendance at the retreat know that what was presented was nowhere near what I described in my question. That doesn’t mean that such practices aren’t happening. It just means I have no personal knowledge, so I shouldn’t have used the example.

Long-time readers know this blog is not and never was dedicated to the insights of one man. This blog has explored writings from dozens of Mormon authors. It just so happens that the Mormon author whose works I have been reading for the past few years are so prolific, I have felt a desire to share many insights. There are nine posts from the interview so far. The first is an overview.

5-13-15: A Visit With Denver Snuffer 5-21-15: The Fullness of the Gentiles
5-27-15: The Snuffer Interview – Part Two 5-30-15: Reconnecting to the Fathers
6-6-15: They That Come Shall Burn Them 6-13-15: Baptizing with Power and Authority
6-16-15: Reorganizing the Family of God 6-28-15: A Wild Man Hath Come Among Us
7-4-15: Opening the Conduit to Heaven

Conversing With the Lord

jacob-altarNow on to what I learned from Scott Stover about opening the conduit to heaven. First, from personal experience, I can tell you it is real. We can literally open a conduit to heaven. I have done so. Contrary to what some have written here on this blog, it is something over which we have some control. When we approach the heavens correctly, our prayers are heard and shared.

In response to prayer, like Scott, I have received revelation, as I’m sure many of you have, and have recorded it in my revelation book. As I have shared before, images, scenes, words, phrases, sentences and whole paragraphs have come, almost as dictation. Most of what I have received I have not shared, nor have I ever felt a desire or the right to do so. They are personal and sacred.

On the other hand, when I have asked the Lord for enlightenment on a specific subject with the clear understanding up front that I desired to share it, He has been most generous. The insights are my interpretations of what I have received, meant to inspire, encourage or otherwise prompt you to take your own questions to the Lord and receive direction and inspiration for your life.

Knowing the Voice of the Lord

isaiah-recording-revelationAs Scott shared in his latest post entitled, “Come Unto Me #2 – Scriptures,” the key to hearing and knowing the voice of God compared to our own voice or that of the adversary is found in Moroni 7:11-19. This should be no surprise to anyone. “According to this revelation, there is a grand key whereby we may know that the voice we hear is the voice of the Lord.

“If the voice: 1) Encourages the worship of Christ, 2) Promotes charity, humility, and the power that comes only from them and 3) Does not engender a desire for control, compulsion, or dominion (D&C 121:34-46), …then it is His voice.” Did you know you can use this same formula to ascertain if someone is sharing ideas that contain eternal truth when they write responses to blog posts?

As my regular readers are probably aware, or at least those who read the comments in response to some of my posts, especially those that address some observation I share about an insight I have gained from Denver, there is great opposition to just about anything that comes from the man. That is a sign to me, along with what I hear from the Lord, that he is speaking the truth.

The Gift of Discerning of Spirits

heavens-glory“There always did, in every age, seem to be a lack of intelligence pertaining to this subject. Spirits of all kinds have been manifested, in every age, and almost amongst all people. … All have their spirits, all have a supernatural agency, and all contend that their spirits are of God. Who shall solve the mystery? ‘Try the spirits,’ says John [1 John 4:1], but who is to do it? The learned, the eloquent, the philosopher, the sage, the divine—all are ignorant. … Who can drag into daylight and develop the hidden mysteries of the false spirits that so frequently are made manifest among the Latter-day Saints?

“A man must have the discerning of spirits before he can drag into daylight this hellish influence and unfold it unto the world in all its soul-destroying, diabolical, and horrid colors; for nothing is a greater injury to the children of men than to be under the influence of a false spirit when they think they have the Spirit of God. Thousands have felt the influence of its terrible power and baneful effects. …

“As we have noticed before, the great difficulty lies in the ignorance of the nature of spirits, of the laws by which they are governed, and the signs by which they may be known; if it requires the Spirit of God to know the things of God; and the spirit of the devil can only be unmasked through that medium, then it follows as a natural consequence that unless some person or persons have a communication, or revelation from God, unfolding to them the operation of the spirit, they must eternally remain ignorant of these principles…”

Source: Joseph Smith, HC, vol 4, pp 571-581 – Editorial in Times and Seasons, April 1842

Use the Keys God Has Given Us

Where there is no vision, the people perishA man or woman can go astray from the path approved by the Lord at any time in their life. The path I have chosen, to withdraw my membership in the LDS Church so I can experience greater freedom of expression in what I share here on my blog, is NOT the best choice for others. The important thing is to KNOW you are on the right path. Of course, the only way to know is to ask.

As you can imagine, I have been told over and over by loving, well-meaning individuals that I have been deceived in my prayers and in the confirmations that have satisfied my soul. All I can say is God bless you. My path is not for you. For those who say Joseph was a fallen servant or Denver is a false prophet or fallen servant, I say, you believe what you want and act accordingly.

Don’t let my confidence in my path dissuade you from your confidence in yours. They don’t have to be the same. As long as what we are doing encourages the worship of Christ, promotes charity, humility and kindness toward others, and does not produce a desire for compulsion or control or dominion over others then we’re good. Teach me of Christ and I will listen. God bless.

Opportunities to Go Off the Rails

Question Eight: A follow-up to the last question about the need for leadership in this movement can be illustrated by a recent post from Keith on the Recorder’s blog. In there he noted some people are submitting names of children baptized as young as five years old. The scriptures specifically teach the age of accountability is eight years old. He also noted the fact that some baptisms are being submitted for recording as having been performed by a woman. He quoted, again from the Phoenix lecture, your statement about priesthood being confined to men because of the Fall. You elaborated much on the idea there are so many opportunities for believers to go off the rails. I see it all the time when we discuss doctrinal questions on my blog.

For example, the worship of Mother in Heaven is a subject about which some people feel very strongly. They advocate a practice – a sacred dance – in which the objective is for a manifestation of divine favor. Specifically, they look for, expect, and report they have experienced the presence of Heavenly Mother in their ritual. This is similar to what happened with the children of Israel when Moses was up on the mountain for forty days communing with the Lord. In the end, Moses wore himself out because he had to judge every little thing that came before the people. What is the right way? How will the Lord provide leadership for His people who are awaiting His return? I’m looking for a practical answer here, not idealism.

A Few Comments on Heavenly Mother

ANSWER (Denver): For those who think they can please and appease a Heavenly Mother by that sort of innovation, I think they will be very surprised when they finally have an opportunity to meet Her. She may not be at all the soft, kindly, genteel little old lady some people imagine. She may be tougher by far than our Father.

Do you imagine for a moment that Lucifer would have been cast out of heaven without the Mother consenting, approving, and advocating? Do you think for a moment that could be the case? Do you think that those who were cast out with him had some weak-willed woman weeping at their departure? Do you think She wasn’t protecting Her Family, and approving the compulsory exile? I don’t talk about Her, but I think there is a lot of imagination about Her that needs to be reined in. When Her fearful presence is revealed the fools will then shut their mouths. Stop rushing forward because what you find in your impatience may condemn you and your foolishness.

Gifts Are An Open Conduit

Gifts are an open conduit. What flows through the gifts will include opposition. Just because you have a gift doesn’t mean that this gift is not equally accessible by the opposition as it is accessible by God. “It must needs be that there is an opposition in all things.” (2 Ne. 2:11.) You can’t bring about righteousness without there being an opposition in all things. So how do you avoid mistakes when you allow something to influence you through your gift that actually comes from the adversary pretending to be the source of light? The pretentions of the Bringer of light, the Light Bearer, which is what Lucifer’s name means, do mislead.

road-to-emmausWell, to avoid mistakes, first of all, I would look to the scriptures as a standard against which to measure any new revelation given to you. If you look at Christ on the Road to Emmaus, and you look at Moroni’s lectures to Joseph, everything communicated was scripture-based.

I’ve given a more comprehensive restatement of the Restoration than anyone since Joseph, but have almost entirely confined it to the scriptures and statements attributed to Joseph. That measuring standard is where you first find the anchor needed to keep the truth. People who don’t read their scriptures are subject to all kinds of foolish presumptions about things that aren’t there. If you go back and look at the exact wording, sometimes the foolish presumption is not justified by the actual language and content of the scripture you think justifies what you are doing. Study and compare everything to the scriptural standard. The more familiar you are with their language the better equipped you will be to recognize truth.

Personal Worthiness a Requirement

Second, personal worthiness. We have to live our lives in conformity with the light that we have. We cannot ignore commandments, or excuse ourselves from departing, and expect that we can avoid deception. If we are willing to disobey and excuse ourselves, then we become unable to distinguish the light from the shadows. It’s just the way it is. If we lie to ourselves, we love a lie. And if we love a lie we’re going to be deceived by lies. We make ourselves open to lies, we make ourselves willing to accept them.

We have to rely on light and truth and the Holy Ghost. D&C 45:56-57:

And at that day, when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake concerning the ten virgins. For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived—verily I say unto you, they shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire, but shall abide the day.

The way you do that is by knowing what is in the scriptures with some considerable care, living according to the truth that you have, and allowing the Holy Ghost to become your guide, even if what you hear from the Holy Ghost challenges, disappoints, or even frustrates you.

The Strong Man Model is Flawed

(Tim): Do you want to address the part about leadership? I know it was kind of an add-on. It didn’t quite fit.

(Denver): Yes, the narrowness of the question at the end was delightful, because it allowed me to avoid that. But I do think the work that I have been doing, the lectures that were given as part of a single talk, and the stuff that I am trying to remind people of, it’s all in the scriptures. It is all in the foundation of the Restoration. I don’t think that “leader as micromanager” is an answer to anything and failed in Joseph’s day. “Teacher” as someone who brings material to your attention, allowing you the freedom then to choose, is good and worked for Enoch and Melchizedek.

prince-of-egyptIf people engage in the sort of inordinate wickedness Moses found when he came down from the mountain—if that is practiced anywhere among those that are responsive to my message, they simply won’t be gathered. They will be left behind. Those that are patient and humble will inspire the confidence of angels who will do the gathering, and they will be gathered. Gathering won’t be because some boss manages to whip people into line. They need to be given the freedom to get out of line. And then once out of line, they must be permitted to go their way.

Transcript One: http://3tcm.net/a-visit-with-denver-snuffer-transcript.pdf
Note: This version has been reviewed by Denver, missing material added

Transcript Two: http://3tcm.net/tim-malone-Q&A-with-denver-snuffer.pdf

Link to the MP3: http://3tcm.net/Denver_Snuffer_QA_13May2015.mp3
Note: The file is 60MB. It’s best to right-click on the link to download it.

Link to a PDF of answer to question eight: http://3tcm.net/question-eight.pdf

 

9 Responses

  1. Tim, the message is His. I am honored that we are working together to share that message. It soooo needs to be heard! Thank you for your work!

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  2. So… scootd28 is towardzion?

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    • No, TowardZion is someone other than Scott.

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  3. Thank you for sharing this interview. I’ve been reading this blog for a little over a year now, and just felt to make an observation, seeing that the topic of this post is Heavenly Mother and her strength. In all sincerity, t always saddens me when blog linkups are shared and the only female influence in the blogs you list are those that are group blogs or husband/wife teams. I may be mistaken, but it seems there is not a single female blogger in the list. I understand the nature of needing to associate with men, but do also hope in future linkups you will devote some attention to the females among us, making a big difference with their blogging. There are *many* who are making a significant contribution to the discussion, but it saddens me that among the male authors there are only a few who ever link back to the sisters. As this is going to be an influential space in the future with the new forum feature, I hope you find no offense in the observation. God bless and Happy Independence Day.

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    • I think a post specifically highlighting women blogging on the subject of preserving the restoration would be valuable.

      I can think of one right away: Jules (http://myjourneytothefullness.com/) for example.

      Others are listed on my blog roll: http://3tcm.net/LDSBlogrollDec2014TMalone.htm

      I know there are many other women contributing to and commenting on this movement. Let’s build a list of women bloggers together. Comments here or a PM will get it started.

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  4. Thanks Tim. Interestingly enough I found myself worried since I posted that I was too rude. I really appreciate the reminder that Heavenly Mother is not the docile woman some may imagine. I’ve got a long way to go. And please excuse the redundancy and typos. My kids kept interrupting as I was typing. Perhaps that’s one reason there may be fewer sisters speaking up.

    A few I have found influential females, in addition to Jules’ blog. These are all remnant-esque:
    http://www.anewdaydawns.com
    http://peace-in-paradise.blogspot.com/
    http://www.zionsoonawaits.wordpress.com
    https://sweetdreamzion.wordpress.com/
    I’ve got one at http://www.amajorshift.com, if self-listing is not being too presumptuous.
    And a new one, started up 2 months ago just before the passing of one of our “remnant” sisters, who is highlighted in a post: https://thetransformingmormon.wordpress.com/

    I would be interested to hear if Kathy who has posted before has any place she calls home as well.

    Thanks again for being open to the idea. You’re a good man, Tim.

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  5. Right now fewer and fewer people in the world are accepting Mormonism as a whole because they simply can look to the internet and see all of the contradictions and the difficulties of the history of Mormonism. I have not known a Mormon who has read a letter to a CES director who hasn’t had their faith terribly shaken. People accepting joseph smith are less and less and so the LDS church is not growing much. Of those who do accept joseph smith, very few study much more than the superficial readings in the LDS movement, and of those who do that, very few will resonate with what denver snuffer has said. Btw people argue that his message is completely unscriptural and his teachings are contradictory to scriptures and his own words. People argue the key to the revelation being from God rests in whether it coincides with the brethren of the LDS church.
    The point is that denver snuffers group has pulled most of what the can from the LDS church at the moment, and their missionary pool will never be more than those who can accept joseph smith (which is a small and diminishing pool) so the idea of Denver’s offshoot growing much at all is really illogical. But every offshoot has the same argument that theirs is the offshoot of God. Good luck. I heard the same adamant testimony from a baptist of the power in their church and the truth of their movement and that all mormons will go to hell. It is all kind of juvenile all of the claims and witnesses and revelation and the sanctimonious seriousness that people have with their solemn declarations.

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  6. Thanks Tim for this post.

    In addition to D&C 45:56-57 that Tim shared, I recently came upon scripture that is an additional guide and supports Denver’s admonition to know and follow scripture.

    There are three pages that are placed behind the Book of Abraham entitled “Joseph Smith – Matthew.

    Vs 22 it reads:

    “For in those days there shall also arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch, that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are elect according to the covenant. (“who are elect according to the covenant” is not in the New Testament but added in this translation.)

    Vs 37 it reads:

    “And those whoso treasureth up MY WORD, shall not be deceived, for the Son of Man shall come, and he shall send his angels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the remainder of his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” (What a wonderful and comforting promise that there is a way not to be deceived.)

    I find many of my family and friends depend upon the class discussions, the Ensign, pulpit lectures, and other outside sources to understand the scriptures rather an reading and knowing them for themselves. I have certainly been guilty of that myself.

    I understand the concerns that many have about the changes in the curriculum for seminary teaching guides and religion teachers at BYU. They are departing from studying the scriptures themselves and will be using guides much like ones being used in our RS and Sunday School” manuals. I fear scripture will be mingled with the philosophies of men with this new teaching method.

    However, there are also challenges in the “interpretation” of scripture as well. As we know, scripture can be interpreted many different ways. Often, I find it difficult to block out the running dialog of interpretation that I have received over and over again in classes or from the pulpit or other sources. I have come to realize my safe journey depends upon my personal knowledge of the scriptures and interpretation as confirmed by the Holy Ghost.

    It behooves all of us to prayerfully ask for guidance and confirmation by the Holy Ghost that what we read, and how we interpret it, is in line with what the Lord wants us to know personally, that we may not be deceived. What a challenge we have.

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  7. Good words Kathryn. I find it interesting that our own ordinances and scrptures condemn us. From the temple ordinance, the philosophies of men mingled with scripture is represented to be well recieved by the audience, yet how many think it is really taking about them? Or the pride of the daughtrs of Zion mentioned in the book of Mormon, or the scathing rebukes in the D&C. The list goes on and on. I think one’s only hope is to be truly humble and open, then the scriptures can be unfolded into view and may surprise us with views much different, and perhaps opposite to established dogma.

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